GORDON c1830

[steveholden]

Looking for details of Charles Gordon, probably born around 1830. His son, John James Gordon, was born in 1854 and married Elizabeth Watson (daughter of Jacob Watson) in 1876, at Liverpool Parish Church.

I'm looking for the name of Charles' wife and any more details about the family. Ta.

[cenkay]

Hello Steve

On John James's birth certificate it has Charles Gordon down as a police officer and his mothers maiden name looks to be Jane Dooley.

From the census returns i have her down as born about 1835 with three other sons George born 1859 William born 1863 and Stewart born 1865.

Hope this is of some help

Gordon

[steveholden]

Thanks very much for that

Firstly, apologies for the delay, I've only just seen this. Had massive pc problems last couple of months but running ok again (+good virus protection + broadband).

I have come across Jane Dooley before and this could be the right person. Will check this and let you know.

ta

Steve

[steveholden]

Gordon

I've just dug out John James's marriage certificate (didn't have it when I posted original message) and he was 21, married 31 Jan 1876. His address at the time was Sparling St and Charles' occupation was down as 'gardener' . His age would be around 45 so don't know if he had formerly been a policeman.

Interestingly, you mention a George. My father was George and it's also my middle name but I've not found any Georges anywhere else in the family. If these are my Gordons, George would have been my grandma's uncle. I will keep digging and any further information you have would be wonderful.

thanks again

Steve

[brisbane]

Charles Gordon was born 1799 in Forgue, and died 1874 in Huntly Scotland. He married Isabella Inglis, daughter of James Inglis and Isabella Ingliss and Isabella Allan. She died 15 January 1877 in Huntly Scotland. Their children Charles Gordon 27 November 1825 and John Gordon 13 May 1827 born Huntly Scotland. Charles Gordon (b.1825) married Jane Dooley 9 February 1852 in Liverpool. She was born in Liverpool. Their children were: Joseph Stewart Gordon (my g.grandfather) b. 14 Novemer 1863,Liverpool; d. 29 December 1915 m Esther Billows 28 May 1888, Liverpool. Isabella Gordon b. 29 March 1853. John James Gordon b. 24 Dec 1854. William Martin Gordon b. 21 July 1861. Charles Henry Gordon b. 13 November 1856.

Earlier ancestors were Robert and John Gordon. Child of Robert Gordon is: John Gordon b. 1 January 1772, Montellie, Scotland. Latter married Annn Porter born 22 December 1763 in Scotland. Their children: Charles Gordon b. 1799 as above, John Gordon b. 1804 and Alexander Gordon b. 1805.

On Charles Gordon and Jane Dooleys marriage certificate Charles Gordon has his occupation as Gardner, their address is 2 Combermere Street, Toxteth Park. Charles father (Charles) occupation is Forrester. Jane Dooley's father is Martin occupation Porter. I heard the story that Charles was a policeman and there was some funny business and he lost his job as a result, just hearsay so far as I know. I have copies of roman catholic baptisms for Charles Henry 1856 and Joseph Stewart 1863. The latter (my g.grandfather) committed suicide by hanging (at the back entry of my grandmother's (Emily Fitzpatrick nee Gordon) home. I have no idea why. Hope this helps.

steveholden said:

Looking for details of Charles Gordon, probably born around 1830. His son, John James Gordon, was born in 1854 and married Elizabeth Watson (daughter of Jacob Watson) in 1876, at Liverpool Parish Church.

I'm looking for the name of Charles' wife and any more details about the family. Ta.

[steveholden]

Brisbane

Been 'off the trail' for a while and only just seen your reply.

This is fantastic information and I can't thank you enough for it. You've obviously done a lot of research here and it's taken me back further than any other branch of the family.

It's sad about your g.grandfather, especially where it happened. Hope you sometime find the reason for this.

Thanks once again

[brisbane]

Glad you got the information Steve. I got the occupation of forrester for Charles from marriage certificate but in the 1851, 1861, and 1871 census Charles Gordon in George St Huntly, about the right age and right name of wife gives his occupation as Thatcher, I feel he might be ours but the discrepancy in occupation between marriage cert gives me a bit of doubt too.
Carol

[cenkay]

Carol

Like Steve I have not looked at this board for a few months. I try to keep this for the winter.

Many thanks for this information. I knew I was trying to get into Scotland but wasn’t sure how to go about it.

I have looked at the Census returns you mention for Charles and Isabella and agree it looks like the right couple. I would imagine that Forestry work and Thatching would both be seasonal activities in Northern Scotland so maybe he did both.

Going back to Charles and Jane Dooley. I have another child in George Inglis Gordon born 18th April 1859 when they lived in Hill Street. Charles occupation is Police Constable on the birth certificate as it is on John James birth certificate in 1854. While he is down as a gardener on his marriage certificate and on John James marriage certificate there must be a chance that he had died by the time John James got married.

The 1871 Census has Jane living in Prince William Street with John, George, William, and Stewart and working as a charwomen while the 1881 census has her living in Byles Street with George and Stewart. The ages on the census returns are a bit out but that’s nothing new and I think it’s the right family.

In 1871 Jane is given as being born in Scotland and in 1881 as being born Liverpool but she could be Irish as the 1851 census has a Martin Dooley and his wife Jane with daughter Margaret living in Combermere Street and all are down as born in Ireland. The odds must be they are Jane’s parents and sister.

What are the rumours you had heard about Charles's time in the police?

Also interesting to see that although John James was no doubt christened a Catholic he was married in the Parish Church and my mother who was his granddaughter had no idea about the change of religion. She does not remember him- he would have been about 70 when she was born if he was still alive but she thinks she vagely remembers his wife Elizabeth.

Gordon