Post by bladeborn on Jun 15, 2007 23:40:19 GMT -5
So many Williams', so hard to find the right ones!
Having arrived at one "Owen Williams", b.~1811, d.21st July 1868. Baker, I've become a little dead-ended, so I'm looking for auxiliary data (siblings, deeds, parish records, etc to find other avenues of tracking his origins. Neither his Will, not his 2nd wife's were much help).
He married twice, second time to Ellen Woodward, 24th Aug 1847 in Christ Church, Liverpool. He was living in Blenheim Street at the time, and she Eldon Place. He is recorded on the marriage certificate as being a widower.
The earliest record I have of Owen is in the 1846 Slater's, where he is still listed as a baker in New Belnhiem Street.
By 1860 he had changed profession and become a Sulphur Manufacturer, having premises on Stone Street (Gore's, 1860).
In the years that followed they lived at Titchfield Street, Church Street, Wilbrahim Street, and Alexander St.
They had six children:
Ellen Williams, b. 21st Oct 1850
Elizabeth Williams, b.~1852
Owen Aubrey Williams, b.17th Aug 1853
Lewis Aubrey Williams, b.23rd Mar 1856
Catharine Williams, b.~1862
James Aubrey Williams, b.5th Jul 1864
The 1851 census records that they had a house servant: Eliza Phalan, born in Ireland.
Owen senior's father is listed on the marriage certificate to Ellen as Lewis Williams, Draper. In all census data Owen is simply listed as having been born in "Wales".
-- But here I draw a blank and I cannot find any certain record of Owen before the 1846 record in Slater's which still lists him in New Blenhiem St. --
There is record of an Owen Williams, Baker, who is the right age and profession, at 70 & 72 Portland Street from 1839. This man was married to "Elizabeth" who died 25th Feb 1845. I have her death certificate, and some corroborating records from the Brunswick Wesleyen Chapel on Moss Str.
Until recently I had thought that these men might have been one and the same person.
- The wife of the Portland St man dies at about the right time for him to be a widower and re-marry two years later.
- He is a Welsh Methodist, attending Brunswick Wesleyen on Moss St.
- Right profession.
- Right age.
- Dissappears from the record when my definitive Owen gets married and is recorded at a new address?
- All of the addresses Owen/Ellen live at are within a street or two of each other, and of Portland Street, suggesting that they were simly moving within the same/similar neighborhood.
- The 1838 Owen, being listed at 70 and 72 Portland St. is suggestive of home+bakery/provisioner business together. When my defniitive Owen re-marries, and certainly when he changes his profession, his business premises appear to no longer be attached to the home: his chmical business being in Stone St. Thus, it makes sense that he suddenly has a single street number address.
However, doubts arise because:
- The 1846 Slater's randomly records a William Williams at 70 & 72 Portland St (for this one year only), as well as my Owen still at New Belnheim St, simultaneously.
- The 1847 Gore's reverts to listing an Owen Williams at 70 & 72 Portland St. (was William just errata?), just when my Owen marries Ellen and the certificate shows he lives in New Blenhiem St. But Gore's does NOT list my Owen at the Blenheim St address in this year.
- I noted in the 1841 census the other man's place of birth recorded as Lancashire (Born in County is recorded as "Y"). But it seems inconguous that a Lancashire born man should be a Wesleyen Methodist in a Welsh congregation.
So - Is the overlap/anomaly in the trade registers just sloppy updating and errata? Are they the same man, as I had thought?
If this either connects with anyone's research, whether to refute or confirm my current assumption, or better yet connects somewhere to you tree and you have potential data suggesting candidates for Owen and/or his father Lewis' origin in Wales, I would be grateful to hear of it.
Having arrived at one "Owen Williams", b.~1811, d.21st July 1868. Baker, I've become a little dead-ended, so I'm looking for auxiliary data (siblings, deeds, parish records, etc to find other avenues of tracking his origins. Neither his Will, not his 2nd wife's were much help).
He married twice, second time to Ellen Woodward, 24th Aug 1847 in Christ Church, Liverpool. He was living in Blenheim Street at the time, and she Eldon Place. He is recorded on the marriage certificate as being a widower.
The earliest record I have of Owen is in the 1846 Slater's, where he is still listed as a baker in New Belnhiem Street.
By 1860 he had changed profession and become a Sulphur Manufacturer, having premises on Stone Street (Gore's, 1860).
In the years that followed they lived at Titchfield Street, Church Street, Wilbrahim Street, and Alexander St.
They had six children:
Ellen Williams, b. 21st Oct 1850
Elizabeth Williams, b.~1852
Owen Aubrey Williams, b.17th Aug 1853
Lewis Aubrey Williams, b.23rd Mar 1856
Catharine Williams, b.~1862
James Aubrey Williams, b.5th Jul 1864
The 1851 census records that they had a house servant: Eliza Phalan, born in Ireland.
Owen senior's father is listed on the marriage certificate to Ellen as Lewis Williams, Draper. In all census data Owen is simply listed as having been born in "Wales".
-- But here I draw a blank and I cannot find any certain record of Owen before the 1846 record in Slater's which still lists him in New Blenhiem St. --
There is record of an Owen Williams, Baker, who is the right age and profession, at 70 & 72 Portland Street from 1839. This man was married to "Elizabeth" who died 25th Feb 1845. I have her death certificate, and some corroborating records from the Brunswick Wesleyen Chapel on Moss Str.
Until recently I had thought that these men might have been one and the same person.
- The wife of the Portland St man dies at about the right time for him to be a widower and re-marry two years later.
- He is a Welsh Methodist, attending Brunswick Wesleyen on Moss St.
- Right profession.
- Right age.
- Dissappears from the record when my definitive Owen gets married and is recorded at a new address?
- All of the addresses Owen/Ellen live at are within a street or two of each other, and of Portland Street, suggesting that they were simly moving within the same/similar neighborhood.
- The 1838 Owen, being listed at 70 and 72 Portland St. is suggestive of home+bakery/provisioner business together. When my defniitive Owen re-marries, and certainly when he changes his profession, his business premises appear to no longer be attached to the home: his chmical business being in Stone St. Thus, it makes sense that he suddenly has a single street number address.
However, doubts arise because:
- The 1846 Slater's randomly records a William Williams at 70 & 72 Portland St (for this one year only), as well as my Owen still at New Belnheim St, simultaneously.
- The 1847 Gore's reverts to listing an Owen Williams at 70 & 72 Portland St. (was William just errata?), just when my Owen marries Ellen and the certificate shows he lives in New Blenhiem St. But Gore's does NOT list my Owen at the Blenheim St address in this year.
- I noted in the 1841 census the other man's place of birth recorded as Lancashire (Born in County is recorded as "Y"). But it seems inconguous that a Lancashire born man should be a Wesleyen Methodist in a Welsh congregation.
So - Is the overlap/anomaly in the trade registers just sloppy updating and errata? Are they the same man, as I had thought?
If this either connects with anyone's research, whether to refute or confirm my current assumption, or better yet connects somewhere to you tree and you have potential data suggesting candidates for Owen and/or his father Lewis' origin in Wales, I would be grateful to hear of it.
